I am stoked got my first roll in a hole today and that is a huge breakthrough for me. I am having a hades of a time rolling my Taureau with a bulkhead and often other boats with straps. I think it is a result of paddling shallow rocky cold mountain rivers too long and wanting to get my head up.
what height to people have the saddles on the Taureau at? i am 6 ft and have not cut the height down too much, Have cut a lot of other foam though. One day I will get it right
As far as hole riding what would be better the Taureau or Aftershock I have both but not paddled the Aftershock much.
We ran the Tatshenshini last week with 5 open boats- probably a record # of open boats there and had a blast, What a nice run
big breakthru
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eh
me thought dat was just Tenessee slaaang, caught the gist of it
going to do some more carving in my Taureau today, cut the seat down and the back back a bit I had a blast last night. But is started crappy playing at the Whitehorse Intake- where the water is super squirelly, lots of weird eddy lines- was not enjoying the Taurea.then jumped in a friends Zephy and finally went up to Butt Hole and did a bunch of learning.
got where I could settle down and really relax and stay loose on the foam pile and felt awesome- Iam now stoked again
Our wave i mean hole is steep and fast
me thought dat was just Tenessee slaaang, caught the gist of it
going to do some more carving in my Taureau today, cut the seat down and the back back a bit I had a blast last night. But is started crappy playing at the Whitehorse Intake- where the water is super squirelly, lots of weird eddy lines- was not enjoying the Taurea.then jumped in a friends Zephy and finally went up to Butt Hole and did a bunch of learning.
got where I could settle down and really relax and stay loose on the foam pile and felt awesome- Iam now stoked again
Our wave i mean hole is steep and fast
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Berkshire Jack
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Congrats
Yukon,
Congratulations on nailing the combat roll in the Taureau! It is no mean feat. I use to think that I was pretty skilled at rolling C1's and most open boats. I once went 2 yrs without missing a roll in my favorite boat and I had lots of opportunities to blow it in those 2 years. Then I bought a Taureau and it has proved to be my rolling nemesis. I get about 50% of them in the lake when starting from a dead stop underwater. On the river in combat situations, I actually get a lot more of them, somewhere around 75%. This is because I usually only get knocked over on my off side and I use that momentum in my rolling to bring me back up. But when I start rolling from a dead stop in the water, it takes all my energy and wits to get that Taureau back upright. I have even taken lessons from Andy Westwood, one of the designers on the boat, to tweak my rolling style for the boat. I know it is my style of rolling and technique that is lacking because Andy can roll the Taureau effortlessly - As easily as I roll my other C1's.
I like the boat a lot for creeks, but I was getting gun shy about bringing it on hard water, because of a few nasty swims. Unlike Louie, I am not a fan of hard knocks. I am not ready to give up on the boat, because it works so well in tight creeks and steep drops. In analysing my Taureau roll this past weekend, I came to the realization that in my failed rolls, my rear end was leaving the seat by a large amount. I am concluding that my rump's connection to the seat must play a large role in transfering rolling energy to the Taureau and getting it to retract underneath my body at the end of the roll. With my rump off the seat, I am just not able to swing the Taureau back underneath me. I am also coming to the conclusion, that the bulkhead which locks the knees and lower thighs on the Taureau just does not offer enough attachment to keep my rump down, so I am going to add a lap belt to the boat. If this works in improving my rolling success, I will let you know. If it doesn't, I will have to conclude that my rolling style and the Taureau just don't mesh.
I am not a big fan of lap belts and like thigh straps better because psychologically I have less fear of entrapment when using them, but belts do provide the ultimate in holding down ones arse - plus they are quicker and simpler to install and I have an extra one handy. If the lap belt works, I will probably go thru the effort of installing a set of agressive thigh straps, placed far up on the thighs and abandon the belt.
In answer to one of your other questions, I have lowered the seat in my Taureau to 7 inches off the bottom.
Hope I haven't muddled the situation for you.
Jack
Congratulations on nailing the combat roll in the Taureau! It is no mean feat. I use to think that I was pretty skilled at rolling C1's and most open boats. I once went 2 yrs without missing a roll in my favorite boat and I had lots of opportunities to blow it in those 2 years. Then I bought a Taureau and it has proved to be my rolling nemesis. I get about 50% of them in the lake when starting from a dead stop underwater. On the river in combat situations, I actually get a lot more of them, somewhere around 75%. This is because I usually only get knocked over on my off side and I use that momentum in my rolling to bring me back up. But when I start rolling from a dead stop in the water, it takes all my energy and wits to get that Taureau back upright. I have even taken lessons from Andy Westwood, one of the designers on the boat, to tweak my rolling style for the boat. I know it is my style of rolling and technique that is lacking because Andy can roll the Taureau effortlessly - As easily as I roll my other C1's.
I like the boat a lot for creeks, but I was getting gun shy about bringing it on hard water, because of a few nasty swims. Unlike Louie, I am not a fan of hard knocks. I am not ready to give up on the boat, because it works so well in tight creeks and steep drops. In analysing my Taureau roll this past weekend, I came to the realization that in my failed rolls, my rear end was leaving the seat by a large amount. I am concluding that my rump's connection to the seat must play a large role in transfering rolling energy to the Taureau and getting it to retract underneath my body at the end of the roll. With my rump off the seat, I am just not able to swing the Taureau back underneath me. I am also coming to the conclusion, that the bulkhead which locks the knees and lower thighs on the Taureau just does not offer enough attachment to keep my rump down, so I am going to add a lap belt to the boat. If this works in improving my rolling success, I will let you know. If it doesn't, I will have to conclude that my rolling style and the Taureau just don't mesh.
I am not a big fan of lap belts and like thigh straps better because psychologically I have less fear of entrapment when using them, but belts do provide the ultimate in holding down ones arse - plus they are quicker and simpler to install and I have an extra one handy. If the lap belt works, I will probably go thru the effort of installing a set of agressive thigh straps, placed far up on the thighs and abandon the belt.
In answer to one of your other questions, I have lowered the seat in my Taureau to 7 inches off the bottom.
Hope I haven't muddled the situation for you.
Jack
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Thanks Jack let me know
I was only one roll I got but it was in the hole. I have a long way to go. Was out tonight and did not get any, but did get some good rides and a great front surf that would have burried any other regular solo.
Please let me know how the lap belt works
I do have to get this roll down and I hear you about being gun shy takin the boat on harder water. Ill stick to my viper 11 for that
I did cut my seat down and back today and now to work on the roll. Too much shallow water with lots of rocks and wanting to get up to o quick
I was only one roll I got but it was in the hole. I have a long way to go. Was out tonight and did not get any, but did get some good rides and a great front surf that would have burried any other regular solo.
Please let me know how the lap belt works
I do have to get this roll down and I hear you about being gun shy takin the boat on harder water. Ill stick to my viper 11 for that
I did cut my seat down and back today and now to work on the roll. Too much shallow water with lots of rocks and wanting to get up to o quick
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Yukon (Trevor?),
Kalin has a Tareau in Whitehorse doesn't he? I tried rolling his at the Jaws of Death (Gums of Worry) on the Takhini, and I didn't find it too different from my open boat (Outrage) or (C-1) - probably somewhere in between the slightly different styles I use for those boats.
Anyway, maybe you and Kalin could get the Tareaus out together at the in-take or wherever and mess around with rolls.
Pat.
p.s. We just had a Kalin sighting in southern BC. Got him out on a busy class III section of the Chilliwack with some friends - returning the favour of he, David and Virginia all getting me on rivers in the Yukon when I was passing through town last year.
Kalin has a Tareau in Whitehorse doesn't he? I tried rolling his at the Jaws of Death (Gums of Worry) on the Takhini, and I didn't find it too different from my open boat (Outrage) or (C-1) - probably somewhere in between the slightly different styles I use for those boats.
Anyway, maybe you and Kalin could get the Tareaus out together at the in-take or wherever and mess around with rolls.
Pat.
p.s. We just had a Kalin sighting in southern BC. Got him out on a busy class III section of the Chilliwack with some friends - returning the favour of he, David and Virginia all getting me on rivers in the Yukon when I was passing through town last year.
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Berkshire Jack
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Yukon,
Installed a lap belt in the Taureau this weekend and tried it out for flatwater rolls. In summary, it isn't the cats meow solution I was hoping for, but it helps. At first, I nailed 3 rolls in a row and thought to myself the belt was the solution. But after that, it was back to the old struggle. Some worked and some didn't. Now my shoulder feels like I been boating straight for a week.
There is something in my rolling technique, that doesn't like the Taureau shape. I got to make some changes in my style.
The lap belt does add a level of anxiety when you are underwater, and you are not positive you can roll up. I would feel better with thigh straps. I am not sure at this point, the lap belt is worth the few extra rolls I am able to coax out of the situation. Will let you know if I come up with something.
Jack
Installed a lap belt in the Taureau this weekend and tried it out for flatwater rolls. In summary, it isn't the cats meow solution I was hoping for, but it helps. At first, I nailed 3 rolls in a row and thought to myself the belt was the solution. But after that, it was back to the old struggle. Some worked and some didn't. Now my shoulder feels like I been boating straight for a week.
There is something in my rolling technique, that doesn't like the Taureau shape. I got to make some changes in my style.
The lap belt does add a level of anxiety when you are underwater, and you are not positive you can roll up. I would feel better with thigh straps. I am not sure at this point, the lap belt is worth the few extra rolls I am able to coax out of the situation. Will let you know if I come up with something.
Jack
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