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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:36 am
by fez
I think good videos that attract already generally in outdoor sports interested people must be GOOD videos and not just videos of guys trashing down some crazy s&%t with hardcore music.
I think there is so much more in paddling....
Show the people the FEELING and the SOUL of what you can experience in paddling and maybe they will get hooked.
Shure you will not attract the testosteron driven teenagers - but whatever !
I don`t know how hard the paddling is here - but I love this film because it shows the spirit of paddling that I was looking for as a beginner:
http://www.vimeo.com/16383179
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:20 am
by jakke
There are different kinds of people, and so different audiences. I think we should have all parts of the spectrum on video.
True, it's easier to make spectacular video's from a class V run. And for some it's a goal to reach, for some it's nice entertainment and to others it's total madness.
I personally do enjoy the steep stuff on video to watch, even though I have no immediate goals to hit that kind of water. Just as well as I do enjoy nice, clean technical paddling on easier water.
check
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BozjSg4p8QY, around 2.20. I think that's a very nice run there (not by me), even though not on extreme water.
What's important to me for II-III video's, is that it's clean and effortless paddling. Seeing someone doing a nice effort hitting a line on a class II is not as appealing as someone running that same line effortless and with grace. I think there is lots of footage of the first category, and not too many of the latter.
Oh, and I do like the video fez just posted. It's not extreme, but good and clean paddling, relaxed. Just as well as I do like the video's from Dooley, but for a totally different reason.
Another 0.2$ ...
absolutely
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:02 am
by Longboatin
WOW that was a great vid, thnx fez.
I guess its ok to be a whitewater snob, but rilly not where its at. its about checkin out an enviroment, boating provides a way in.
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:37 pm
by Craig Smerda
dafriend wrote:Craig Smerda wrote:GI think this is really a great example of some "real world" ww-canoeing that was done by someone that isn't a ww-cinematographer.
HEY! Wait a doggone minute! I
am a professional videographer/editor. Been one more than forty years. I didn't shoot all of it but probably more than half. That, and I taught the other guys what works and what does not. Dan Flath deserves all the editing credit cause that's not what I want to do in my spare time. (The cobbler's children have no shoes.) And it allows Dan to relive the previous season's adventures while the frozen north is in it's longest season. Thanks for the compliment though. It could be much more than it is but we were there to paddle not make a movie.
The biggest problem with most of the YouTube stuff, aside from the crap craftsmanship of the video work, is that there isn't a story.
Dave Friend
Hey Dave!!! How's winter treating you? Supposed to be a high of 3F here tomorrow... pretty much makes me wish it was summer again and we were sitting on the deck watching videos on the laptop and hoisting a few cold ones.
It was this trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk8puLJXuvU that kind've makes me long for something for our group with some high production value and much of what you and others have described. As much as I enjoy peoples personal videos online which even I have a few of... the nail has squarely been hit on the head.
At
some point I'm sure
someone will do
something...
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:32 pm
by FullGnarlzOC
That's where it's at right there. Expendition style. great cinimeotography, ect....
Luckily, OC-1ers dont have to go to indochina to make a great film. Can be done right here in the us. But if someone did go to china and make something awesome....
well...
some videos you watch. enjoy. and forget. some you never forget.
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:37 pm
by Jim Michaud
Many, many blue moons ago PBS-TV showed a film called "Whitewater PA". It was almost all film clips of boating class IV in the Ohio/West Virginia area. I've been wishing all along that I could get to watch it again. It's what got me firmly hooked into whitewater paddling beyond my local rivers.
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:30 am
by dafriend
Craig Smerda wrote:pretty much makes me wish it was summer again and we were sitting on the deck watching videos on the laptop and hoisting a few cold ones.
Stop it you're killing me. My bod aches for summer weather and your back deck is always pleasant. The first bright spot is that it's only 72 days until I head SE for a two week "where's the water?" tour. The second bright spot is finalizing the details of buying a new L'Edge from Kaz.
That is a beauty.
Clearly not shot with a $250 Handycam. Some serious $$$ behind that production. It will be fun to see the whole show.
Craig Smerda wrote:At some point I'm sure someone will do something...
There's my retirement daydream. (Not impossibly far off either) Traveling wherever there's a whitewater story to be told and pulling it together for some kind of venue. Not sure what that venue is. Doesn't have to be profitable but it would be nice if it paid for some gas, food or lodging on occasion.
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:21 pm
by agrestal
Of the people I know who got into paddling (any type) as an adult, most of them either saw a video that looked awesome and wanted to learn how to do it, or rafted something huge, saw hard boaters on it, and wanted to learn how to do it. That's not to say there aren't those out there who set out to paddle in some beautiful scenery on something small, but I just haven't heard those stories... I'm gonna have to agree with the paddleporners. haha Maybe what we need is an ad for
www.thecanoeguru.com at the end of the gnarly videos! "Learn how here."
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:40 pm
by Deb R
I loved these! This is a river I can realistically see myself paddling on, succeeding, being challenged and having fun. I'm never going to do class V, and probably only class IV at class III water levels. Videos like these give me lines to look at, moves to try and get me thinking about spring snow melt. Most people I know who don't paddle whitewater, but maybe paddle flatwater, are even impressed with my little videos of class III. But, some actually say they'd like to try it, and it's conceivable that they will someday if I keep bugging them enough. If I showed them videos of people doing 40ft waterfalls and class V creeks, they'd never even consider it, and neither would I.
Deb R.
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:08 pm
by Kelvin
Me and my mate Bob,
Class 3/4
http://vimeo.com/15197013
Kelvin.
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:33 pm
by Smurfwarrior
Thats an interesting Zoom! Nice vid Kelvin thanks
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:52 am
by Deb R
Nice! Looks like a challenging race course too. Small eddies.
I paddle a Zoom, too. How did you deck that one?
Deb
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:15 am
by tvann
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:07 am
by yarnellboat
Those are great paddling videos Kelvin and tvann - like being able to see what strokes people use to work the river's features. And those are the types of rivers I'd love to paddle more of!!
Kelvin, you gotta saymore the decking of that Zoom.... I'll start another thread.
Pat.